| Posted on June 20, 2010 at 4:56 PM |

Maybe it's because Laser Pro Park can't defeat the Poliscan II LIDAR speed cameras, or maybe they discontinued it because LPP can't jam the SCS-103, SCS-103, Truspeed Euro, Traffipatrol XR, SL700, and other lidar guns in the UK and Europe. It seems that the final large distributors, UK Speed Traps and Radar Detector Shop UK have discontinued the sale of Laser Pro Park all together. Maybe they'll start to sell that POS product again IF Pro Park ever gets their head out of their arses and finally comes out with an update to fix all the guns they can't jam. I have to hand it to the two resellers for finally doing what's right for the consumers and that's to stop selling an inferior product that doesn't work at jamming all laser guns.
UK speeders beware of other dishonest resellers selling Laser Pro Park. Honest and reliable distributors don't carry trash like the LPP.
| Posted on June 10, 2010 at 8:26 AM |

The brand spanking new Stalker LR series is out. Before we get into the fun stuff I'm going to quote what is new off of Stalkers website.
"Newly Designed Optics
Updated Electronics
New ergonomic, rechargeable battery handle provides better balance, which means less physical stress
Integrated battery charger
Improved latch-secured handle
State-of-the-art Surface Mount Technology
New 32-bit processor compared to the previous 8-bit processor
New CPU’s clock rate is 5X faster for faster target aquisition
Standardized receiver board built to accommodate
future enhancements
Time Distance Converter (TDC) for improved
time/distance measurements
Doppler Audio Tracking"
What does this mean for the laser jammer community? Is Stalker holding back a secret...
Applied Concepts has always been very good about listing ALL of its specs in its devices. Infact, I think it's safe to say Stalker was the ONLY LIDAR company that made their pulse rate out in the open, 130 Hz. You can find this information by clicking on the PDF spec sheet they always provide on the website.
What's different this time? OH NO!
Their are a few members on the forums who had their "LR" software upgrade, but the hardware wasn't changed. One member claims to have messed around with the prototype before it was released. So far nobody has actually messed around with a true retail production Stalker LR(they sell for about $3,400 BTW.) So guess what folks? I checked the spec sheet on the new LR and Stalker put everything on the spec sheet as usual BUT THE PULSE RATE! It's the first time ever that Stalker didn't put the pulse rate down. Did Stalker finally change the pulse rate from 130 pps to something else? Why would they list that info and everything else with all the other previous models, but suddenly they don't list it on the new one? Looks like Laser Pro Park has another gun it can't jam lol.
Why is the EU model a class 1M unit, but the USA version is a Class 1? Probably because the EU version has a higher pulse rate! woohoo.
| Posted on May 12, 2010 at 9:00 AM |
Since September 15th, 2009, Laser Interceptor USA has been trying to change the court location of the largest laser jammer legal battle in history. The change of venue is very important to Laser Interceptor because of the costs involved in flying to New York all the time. Clifford Crane filed for the motion on this 22nd day. I thought something was up because I wasn't able to locate the court case in New York's database. What could have happend? It then dawned on me Cliff must have won his motion to have the case put next to his house...okay the state of Florida at least. On the 29th of April the court granted Cliff's change of venue request. The details are in the pudding below:
4/29/2010 19 Case transferred in from New York Southern; Case Number 1:09-cv-07450. Original file certified copy of transfer order and docket sheet received. (Entered: 04/29/2010) 4/22/2010 18 ORDER granting 7 Motion to Change Venue. The Defendants' motion totransfer venue to the Middle District of Florida is GRANTED. The Clerk of the Court is directed to transfer the Complaint and file to the Middle District of Florida and to close the case on the docket of this Court.(Signed by Judge Barbara S. Jones on 4/21/2010) (jar) [Transferred from nysd on 4/29/2010.] (Entered: 04/22/2010)
4/22/2010
CASE TRANSFERRED OUT ELECTRONICALLY from the U.S.D.C. Southern District of New York to the United States District Court - Middle District of Florida. (tro) [Transferred from nysd on 4/29/2010.] (Entered: 04/29/2010) 4/22/2010
Transmission to Docket Assistant Clerk. Transmitted re: 18 Order on Motion to Change Venue, to the Docket Assistant Clerk for case processing. (jar) [Transferred from nysd on 4/29/2010.] (Entered: 04/22/2010)
What does all this mean? Laser Interceptor USA LLC will have more money to spend on attorney's than airfare to the great state of New York.
The information contained in this blog is publically available and used for the purpose of commentation.
- Chris
| Posted on April 25, 2010 at 5:42 AM |
On April 23rd, 2010 an administrator of a well known forum announced something would be said about Laser Interceptor in the next few days. Many of the forum members speculate Laser Interceptor (LI) will be available for sale on this popular site. If the forum members are correct this could be a huge blow to the Blinder camp. The commerical forum is connected to a Blinder M27/M47 and Escort ZR4 Shifter dealer. As far as I can see publically, Blinder and Laser Interceptor have not settled in any way, nor is their any mention of a preliminary hearing. Below is the publically available docket logs on the case. Let's see what happens in the laser jammer wild wild west world.
U.S. District Court
United States District Court for the Southern District of New York (Foley Square)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 1:09-cv-07450-BSJ-KNF
Blinder International v. Laser Interceptor USA et al
Date Filed#Docket Text
08/25/20091 COMPLAINT against Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane. (Filing Fee $ 350.00, Receipt Number 698360)Document filed by Blinder International.(ama)
(Entered: 08/26/2009)08/25/2009 SUMMONS ISSUED as to Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane. (ama)
(Entered: 08/26/2009)08/25/2009 Magistrate Judge Kevin Nathaniel Fox is so designated. (ama)
(Entered: 08/26/2009)08/25/2009 Case Designated ECF. (ama) (Entered: 08/26/2009)08/25/20092 RULE 7.1 CORPORATE DISCLOSURE STATEMENT. No Corporate Parent. Document filed by Blinder International.(ama)
(Entered: 08/26/2009)08/25/2009 Mailed notice to Commissioner of Patents and Trademarks to report the filing of this action. (ama) (Entered: 08/26/2009)09/02/20093 AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE of Summons and Complaint. Clifford M. Crane served on 8/26/2009, answer due 9/15/2009. Service was accepted by Clifford Crane. Document filed by Blinder International. (Leichtman, David)
(Entered: 09/02/2009)09/02/20094 AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE of Summons and Complaint. Laser Interceptor USA served on 8/26/2009, answer due 9/15/2009. Service was accepted by Clifford Crane. Document filed by Blinder International. (Leichtman, David) (Entered: 09/02/2009)09/15/20095 RULE 7.1 CORPORATE DISCLOSURE STATEMENT. No Corporate Parent. Document filed by Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane.(Cohen, Neal)
(Entered: 09/15/2009)09/15/20096 ANSWER to Complaint with JURY DEMAND. Document filed by Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane.(Cohen, Neal) (Entered: 09/15/2009)09/15/20097 MOTION to Change Venue. Document filed by Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane. (Attachments: # 1 Notice of Motion, # 2 Exhibit A - Declaration of Clifford M. Crane, # 3 Exhibit B, # 4 Exhibit C, # 5 Exhibit D, # 6 Text of Proposed Order)(Cohen, Neal)
(Entered: 09/15/2009)09/29/20098 DECLARATION of W. Edward Bailey in Opposition re: 7 MOTION to Change Venue.. Document filed by Blinder International. (Leichtman, David) (Entered: 09/29/2009)09/29/20099 DECLARATION of Torben Bogh-Andersen in Opposition re: 7 MOTION to Change Venue.. Document filed by Blinder International. (Leichtman, David)
(Entered: 09/29/2009)09/29/200910 MEMORANDUM OF LAW in Opposition re: 7 MOTION to Change Venue.. Document filed by Blinder International. (Leichtman, David) (Entered: 09/29/2009)10/06/200911 REPLY MEMORANDUM OF LAW in Support re: 7 MOTION to Change Venue.. Document filed by Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane. (Cohen, Neal)
(Entered: 10/06/2009)10/14/200912 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE by Wilford Edward Bailey on behalf of Blinder International (Bailey, Wilford) (Entered: 10/14/2009)10/15/200913 MOTION for Michael J. Colitz, III to Appear Pro Hac Vice. Document filed by Laser Interceptor USA, Clifford M. Crane.(dle) (Entered: 10/16/2009)10/20/2009 CASHIERS OFFICE REMARK on 13 Motion to Appear Pro Hac Vice in the amount of $25.00, paid on 10/15/2009, Receipt Number 702852. (jd)
(Entered: 10/20/2009)10/20/200914 ORDER FOR ADMISSION PRO HAC VICE ON WRITTEN MOTION granting 13 Motion for Michael J. Colitz, III to Appear Pro Hac Vice. (Signed by Judge Barbara S. Jones on 10/20/2009) (jpo)
(Entered: 10/20/2009)10/20/2009 Transmission to Attorney Admissions Clerk. Transmitted re: 14 Order on Motion to Appear Pro Hac Vice, to the Attorney Admissions Clerk for updating of Attorney Information. (jpo)
(Entered: 10/20/2009)11/02/200915 ORDER REFERRING CASE TO MAGISTRATE JUDGE. Order that case be referred to the Clerk of Court for assignment to a Magistrate Judge for General Pretrial (includes scheduling, discovery, non-dispositive pretrial motions, and settlement). Referred to Magistrate Judge Kevin Nathaniel Fox. Motions referred to Kevin Nathaniel Fox. (Signed by Judge Barbara S. Jones on 11/2/2009) (jpo)
(Entered: 11/03/2009)02/17/201016 NOTICE OF APPEARANCE by Oren Dov Langer on behalf of Blinder International (Langer, Oren)
(Entered: 02/17/2010)02/17/201017 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF ADDRESS by David Leichtman on behalf of Blinder International. New Address: Robins, Kaplan, Miller & Ciresi L.L.P., 499 Park Avenue, Suite 1200, New York, New York, USA 10022, 212-980-7400. (Leichtman, David) (Entered: 02/17/2010)
| Posted on January 28, 2010 at 9:02 AM |
The manufacturer of the M27 and M47 Xtreme laser jammer has filed for trademark rights in the UK recently. Read Blinder's application and story here:
http://www.laserjammertests.com/blinderipotrademarkuk.htm
- Chris
| Posted on November 3, 2009 at 2:55 AM |
On April, 29th 2009, I wrote a blog about a few laser jammer "testers" not disclosing the whole truth about their Laser Interceptor transponder failures. I spoke about one person in particular that goes by the name of "happyA$$." Shortly after I wrote that blog I received an email from Steve saying my source was incorrect and that he wasn't the one who had returned his heads numerous times. At the time I believed my source was more credible than HappyA$$ on that topic, especially since it was an embarrassing blog about himself. I've had alot of time to think about Steve's claim and I can say in good faith that I believe him. It's now my personal opinion that my source added Steve's name accidentally, OR I possibly misinterpreted the info on Steve. I was able to verify my claim against Rob with mutliple sources, but with Steve I could only get one. Since Steve told me man-to-man my claim wasn't true, and I only had one source to go back on, I hearby retract my claim on Steve/HappyA$$. Rob(CrazyVolvoRob) on the other hand is still guilty as fu*k.
Regards,
Chris
| Posted on September 8, 2009 at 11:10 AM |
New Software Update for BLINDER M27 & M47
07-09-2009
1.4 INT
CPU
Region code: 1 (1=INT)
Software Version: 4
SLAVE (transponder): M27/M47: Software ID1720
2.4 USA
CPU
Region code: 2 (2=USA)
Software Version: 4
SLAVE (transponder): M27/M47: Software ID1720
Settings Options
Park sensor ports select
Start-up Sound
Jamming Time: 7 / 10 sec / Constant
Alarm time after jamming
Repair & Reset Software
1.2 INT Repair File
2.2 USA Repair File
| Posted on September 7, 2009 at 7:22 AM |
Anti-Laser USA runs from Blinder International patent attorney's?
On September 4th, it was discovered that Blinder International was sueing Laser Interceptor for alleged patent infringement. Since that time, AntiLaser USA, the distributor of the ALG9/ALG8 multi-purpose laser jammer has deleted most of the content on their website(www.antilaser.us). The only remains of the site is a link to AntiLaser's Croatian HQ website. We can only speculate about the timing of this website change, but one could assume that Antilaser decided to pull the plug after they found out a federal lawsuit was filed against Laser Interceptor for patent infringement.
Is AntiLaser's ALG9 laser jammer an IP right violation of Torben Bøgh-Andersen's patent?
According to Blinder International's May 2002 patent application(10/138036), several points are made that are similar to AntiLaser's product, one specifically, a 'look up table' in the software. Below is an excerpt of the patent app details:
"a database operatively connected to the microprocessor and having stored reference values for the first frequency of at least some of a number of known monitor signals, [Note: This is the look up table] and for each of the reference values also having stored in the database a corresponding value for the second frequency of the jamming signal, an optical receiver for receiving the monitor signal, an monitor signal converter for converting the monitor signal to an electrical monitor signal and sending the signal as input to the microprocessor, a program of the microprocessor for comparing the received electrical monitor signal with the reference values of the database, selecting the corresponding second frequency, or if no reference values are found selecting the first frequency as the second frequency, and generating an electric jamming signal with the selected frequency, a jamming signal converter for receiving said electrical jamming signal from the microprocessor and converting it to the jamming signal, and an optical transmitter for transmitting said jamming signal to the laser-based speed monitor." - patent application(10/138036)
Some people think Blinder International can't do anything to other 'DIODE' based laser jammers like the Laser Interceptor, Laser Pro Park, or Anti-Laser systems because a Blinder M27/M47 utilizes 904/905nm high power LED's. Blinder's year 2002 patent application is actually for a diode based system, not IR LED. In any case it doesn't really matter what the hardware is on alleged infringing products because the knife in the belly is all in the software. The application cited here is merely an application. Torben holds the software sword in the legal world. Check out the United States Patent and Trademark Office to read about Blinder's issued patent for the 'look up table' software. It's a great read.
We have no proof Anti-Laser is being litigated right now. Maybe it's a mere coincidence Anti-Laser USA changed their website around the same time just randomly. I'm willing to bet Anti-Laser and Laser Pro Park are up next.... Stay tuned for an entertaining time in the jammer world.
- LaserJammerTests.com
p.s. This blog post is purely speculation by the author. The author and webmaster is not a patent attorney. Special thanks to a little bird for bringing this topic up.
| Posted on September 4, 2009 at 3:03 PM |
Blinder International sues Cliff
Case Number:1:2009cv07450
Filed:August 25, 2009
Court:New York Southern District Court
Has Blinder International finally pulled off the gloves to protect their patent?
Read all about the lawsuit here:
| Posted on August 26, 2009 at 11:19 AM |
AntiLaser jams the European Poliscan speed lidar camera, also known as Nestor Systems in the United States. The Nestor system scans multiple lanes of traffic and has the capability of ticketing multiple cars in a wolf pack. This is a nice video of the ALG9 in action, however the in-car video footage is a bit weak. The car with the laser jammer speeds up, but you can tell it slows down to the speed limit when it comes up to the camera. I would like to see the test car whizzing by all the traffic. In any case it's nice to know the Anti-Laser team can jam this gun. Laser Pro Park on the other hand doesn't officially say they can jam this gun. Just another gun to add to the list Laser Pro Park can't jam?
| Posted on August 14, 2009 at 1:56 PM |
From the mail room! A question about the Laser Interceptor.
Question: "Hi – I just bought a laser jammer (Laser Interceptor) and wanted to verify that it is transmitting a signal. I am able to get an alert by using a TV remote (it says “unknown gun, jamming sequence initiated). This TV remote also sets off my Valentine1’s laser alert. However, once the jamming sequence starts on the LI, it does not set off the Valentine1.
Do you know if a jamming sequence should be detected by alaser detector (Valentine1)?"
Answer: Hello ****** and thanks for writing. First of all I hope you purchased your LI from an authorized dealer, otherwise if a problem occurs Ivan and Cliff won't help you. The Laser Interceptor uses smart pulse matching, not the brute force technique used by another jammer. When you hear the voice alert, "jamming sequence blah blah", that's only an extended alert. For example, in real life the Laser Interceptor may catch laser scatter from an officer targeting another car. This scatter may only be detected for 1 second, but the full 5+ second voice alert goes on even though the LI quit detecting the laser 4 seconds ago. What I'm trying to say is just because you hear the full voice alert, it doesn't mean laser is being detected or jamming for that entire time.
Don't worry about the V1. Your TV remote probably works in the Khz range and the Laser Interceptor heads are probably shooting at a high Khz range PAST the range of the TV remote and past the range of the V1 detector. It doesn't matter what pulse rate the LI is firing because we're not priviledged to their generic jamming algorythm. What matters is the diodes are firing and not dead. The easy way to test this is by getting your cell phone camera or video camera and pointing it at the transponders. Get your TV remote or laser tester and hold down the button. Look at the camera LCD screen. Do you see the laser diodes lighting up? You should. If you don't you need to call up Cliff right away.
- Chris
If anyone else has a question please feel free to write. LaserJammerTests@gmail.com
| Posted on August 14, 2009 at 12:42 PM |
VIDEO - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=157_1250163124
If you recognize the driver(maybe a friend of a friend) of the red car please do your civil duty and report him/her to the police for 'hit and run.' You can always give an anonymous tip to the police. We all like to watch train wrecks, but these a-holes cost lives and insurance premiums to go up. It's one thing to speed. It's another to be an idiot! - Chris
| Posted on August 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM |
No. The new Blinder M27/M47 Xtreme doesn't have voice alerts to tell you what gun is hitting you. While this is a cool feature(one of my favorites as a laser jammer enthusiast), I doubt alot of normal folk would really find this useful. Imagine you're CrazyVolvoRob speeding down the motorway listening to Cher at 90dB. The muffled voice alert would be hard to hear, especially if it's a low gated voice like Cher ;-) Trust me people....if you're driving 25 over the limit you don't want to get confused. Was that my Ipod or was that my Blinder? A pizzo alert is definite and unmistakable. The Blinder's pizo is very loud! I have a feeling you're getting the Blinder's new M27 software mixed up. Torben, CEO of Blinder, made a nifty little feature that lets you download new firmware. With this new firmware you can adjust the jam time and take out European guns.
Cheers,
Chris
| Posted on August 13, 2009 at 11:12 AM |
8/13/2009 - Just listed an LE-30 source if anyone wants brand new Lidatek's. Please remember that this company is no longer in business. Buyer assumes all risks when dealing with Ebayers. Try and negotiate an in-house warranty(in writing) with Mobile Center if you choose to get this older jammer. I also recommend that you talk this guy down to a reasonable price. His asking price is outrageous.
Read about this listing in the yard sale section. Click here.
- Chris
| Posted on August 12, 2009 at 4:23 AM |
Just added another Kustom PL2 lidar gun to the yard sale list. It's too expensive for what it is in my opinion, however someone with some money to burn may want it. Click on the picture to check it out. I would contact the seller to see if he would be willing to sell it cheaper. PL2's sell on ebay all the time for around $600 to $700.00.
- Chris
| Posted on August 11, 2009 at 3:44 AM |
Check out the used LTI 20-20 100LR I added to the new yard sale section. I also added a Vascar and Kustom ProLaser II. Used (outdated) jammers are also listed on this page. Click here to view it. The 'yard sale' section is updated daily.
| Posted on August 9, 2009 at 7:35 AM |
Sometimes used or outdated stuff is more valueable than new. A good example would be the Target LE850. The new "Yard Sale" section(located in the top menu) is designed to list unique items sought out by laser jammer enthusiasts and speeders. Find the Lidatek LE-10 you've been searching for...okay honestly I wouldn't put an LE-10 in the "Yard Sale" section because I would buy it and keep it to myself lol. That's one jammer I'm not going to pass up for anything. I'll try to update that page daily. If any of you spot something awesome and it's not listed please drop me a line at LaserJammerTests@gmail.com
New or in-production items will NOT be listed in the 'Yard Sale' section. New radar detectors and laser jammers should only be purchased from an authorized reseller.
- Chris
| Posted on August 8, 2009 at 9:45 AM |
When people stop by LaserJammerTests they read reviews, watch movies, and catch up on consumer alerts. This alone keeps most people informed and out of harms way. Good companies can sometimes be misrepresented by criminals seeking to take advantage of forum and car club members under an anonymous avatar. The most frequently asked question I get is, "Who is an authorized dealer I can trust?" This is a really important question because UNauthorized dealers can't offer warranties and in the worst case scenario they scam you completely. This has got to stop.
Laser jammer cyber crime stops when consumers are educated.
I became sick to my stomach when I found out several members of an Audi forum were defrauded by an individual claiming to be a Blinder M27/M47 Xtreme dealer. This individual claimed to give 'group buy pricing' at a price too good to be true. Members of the Audi forum sent money to this individual via Paypal, but he/she(fraud team) didn't send a Blinder m27 in return. The Audi forum members filed Paypal chargebacks and won, however the con artist emptied out the Paypal account BEFORE Paypal could freeze the account. One member filed a police report with the Puyallup police department. Officer Hayes (Badge #299) re. Case 09006447. Full story here.
Group buys on forums are extremely risky!
Some group buys for various jammer manufacturers are indeed legit, however more often then not they're conducted by individuals who are not authorized to sell the product. Even if you're not scammed, the manufacturer will not honor your warranty if you purchase product from an unauthorized dealer. Some manufacturers won't even honor a warranty if you purchase the product below MAP price. If your forum has a group buy advertised it's wise to contact the manufacturer BEFORE you jump in. Don't make the same mistake the Audi forum members did :-(
How things will change for laser jammer enthusiasts.
In a short period of time LaserJammerTests.com will be collecting and verifying 'authorized dealers' to be listed in our public directory. This directory will have several verified dealers listed under each laser jammer brand, including Escort, Beltronics, Blinder, Laser Interceptor, Target, etc. Each directory will also have the contact info for the corporations headquarters. Giving consumers the means to make a safe transaction with an honest and verified dealer will help to curb fraud in its tracks.
Requirements to be listed in the Laser Jammer Tests.com authorized dealer directory:
1. The dealer is required in writing to show he/she is an authorized dealer for 'X' manufacturer. I will personally contact the manufacturer to verify the claim of the applicant.
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3. The dealer has consistent business hours of operation.
4. The dealer represents a company that's in good standing.
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| Posted on August 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM |
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The Anti-Laser ALG8 was able to jam the unipar SL700, however we never got to see a video of it. The new ALG9 RX is capable of jamming the Truspeed USA, TruSpeed EURO, and Traffipatrol XR. What makes the ALG9 RX different from the original G9 version is the memory card update and ability to jam the Euro version Truspeed. The RX version still has a quad cluster photo diode set up in each head, giving the anti-laser transponder heads better detection.
I like the way all Anti-Laser videos are filmed. They're fun to watch and they frequently choose good background music to move it along. On a few test runs I noticed it was a little dark out. Why is it I couldn't see the infrared light firing from the head(s)? Most camcorders CMOS sensors are capable of picking this up.
- Chris
| Posted on July 25, 2009 at 4:16 AM |
A consumer finally stepped forward after he didn't receive his Pro Park laser jammer from Alex in Canada. The public complaint was made on KMPH's forum on July 23rd. The consumer 'allegedly' paid over 30 days ago, but didn't receive a thing, not even an email about the status of his shipment(that never came). Alex finally responded to the complaint, verifying the complaint wasn't made up and indeed genuine. You can read about the 1 month fiasco here for the full story.